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State Parks in North Texas contemplating cache policy change --- TXGA on the job


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#1 Texas Dreamweaver

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Posted 23 January 2013 - 02:31 PM

Today, some TXGA members in the north Texas area received emails from Texas Parks and Wildlife regarding a change in policy.  From the emails, it appears that the TPWD wants more control over the caches in their parks.  For the past year and a half, the Texas Geocaching Association has been striving to improve the relationship between the state parks and geocachers.  Although we have made strong progress and established strong ties with many folks in Austin, we had no idea that geocache policy changes were being contemplated.  Upon receiving notice of the TPWD intentions, the TXGA Board requested a chance to state our case and prevent this new policy from being implemented.  The TPWD has granted us that privilege and we will be meeting with them within the week.

 
Mediating this type of situations between your interests to state and municipal authorities is a prime reason that the Texas Geocaching Association exists.  We are there to represent the interest of all Texas geocachers.  The TXGA Board would ask that our members refrain from issuing reprimands and recriminations at TPWD  or archiving caches while the Texas Geocaching Association attempt to mediate this situation.  We will keep you informed of the situation as it progress.


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Posted 23 January 2013 - 03:03 PM

I deleted the other thread as this one had a more compelling title.

 

So what changes are being suggested?


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Posted 23 January 2013 - 03:18 PM

I hope someone will post the email if they get one, I'd like to read it.



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Posted 23 January 2013 - 03:23 PM

At the moment it appears to only be effecting one or at most a handful of parks in North Texas.  They are looking to limit how many caches can be placed in the park and how many caches a single person is allowed to hide.  

 

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Posted 23 January 2013 - 03:36 PM

If those are the only two changes I don't see a problem as long as the numbers are reasonable.


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Posted 23 January 2013 - 03:45 PM

Frankly, I'm not surprised and wouldn't be surprised to see it happen in other parks.  Brazos Bend has a ton of caches placed by a now inactive cacher, many of which have fallen into disrepair.  The current state parks geocache placement policy requires a permit to place a cache, and the permit has to be renewed annually.  Not sure how much that is being adhered to either.  :-[


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Posted 23 January 2013 - 03:49 PM

TGA just posted the email on their fb page so i'm copying and pasting in here in case anyone else wants to read it:

 

Texas Geocaching Association WE have deleated the contact info...My name is Bryan Daniels, and I am the Greenbelt manager/resource specialist for Ray Roberts Lake State Park. I would first like to thank you for your involvement with geocaching in the park, and for following the regulations (filling out application to place geocaches).

However, our park has a new policy on placing geocaches. We are only going to be allowing 20 geocaches at each park (Johnson Branch, Isle du Bois, and the Greenbelt) in order to reduce the impact on our natural resources from trails going to/from caches. At this time, you have 20 geocaches set between FM 428 and HWY 380.

To get to the root of my e-mail. We are going to need you to remove all but 3 of the geocaches. Our policy is going to be 10 caches between 455 and 428, and 10 caches between 428 and 380, so you will not be the only person having to remove caches. At this point in time, there are 5 other people with caches set between 428 and 380, totaling 7 caches. We are asking you to remove all but 3, so that other people have the same opportunity to place caches in that region, . We would like to provide equal opportunity for everybody to participate in placing caches. We will give you the option on which geocaches you would like to leave, and which geocaches you would like to remove.

I realize that yours are probably placed as part of a geocache challenge. My files indicate that they were placed in march of 2012. Is there a time frame for your geocache challenge? If so, let me know and we will discuss options.



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Posted 23 January 2013 - 05:43 PM

I love how their own website (the official information dissemination point) doesn't get that. That site always seems to be an afterthought.

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Posted 23 January 2013 - 08:13 PM

ok, my personal opinion.... (please don't shoot me)

 

I don't see an issue with the park limiting the number of caches on their property and/or limiting the number of caches placed per person. It appears that this 'policy' would provide a larger pool of cachers the opportunity to place hides in the park, and without saturating the area.


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Posted 23 January 2013 - 08:45 PM

I think the issue is that they are forcing thevarchival of a large number of existing caches. Eagle
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Posted 23 January 2013 - 08:58 PM

I hope this does not kill off a bunch of the really old caches that are out there in the process.


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Posted 24 January 2013 - 07:58 AM

Maybe these should adopt them out to new cachers to meet the policy of only 3 per person.


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Posted 29 January 2013 - 08:41 PM

Keep in mind that the upcoming meeting between TXGA & TPWD is only about a policy that some North Texas parks started to implement.

Now they are willing to sit down and work this out with our input. IF you have some constructive Ideas, email me and we will pass them on to TPWD.

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Posted 27 February 2013 - 09:11 PM

What ever became of this?


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Posted 27 February 2013 - 11:04 PM

Mr. MB, Sorry too many websites to keep up with.  Here is what Team DnDRacing posted on Feb 4 after the meeting:

 

"TXGA and the Texas Parks & wildlife department met today, we are pleased with the progress made. While a lot of the discussion was about Lake Ray Roberts and the greenbelt, we also discussed statewide policies. We all agreed that communication is the key to harmony and discussed several ways to achieve better communication lines between cachers & TPWD.

We have committed to strengthening our relationship with them and to help streamline the permit and placement procedures making them more Geocacher friendly. We will continue to keep you updated on future meetings and developments. The one statement we heard from all TPWD officials in attendance was they want geocaching & geocachers in the parks and want to work with everyone to make the parks a great place to be!"

 

I am also aware that TPWD wants to set up a topic on txga.net to answer questions and get direct feedback from geocachers.  Just waiting on the government buracracy to choose which rangers will moderate the forum.  The TXGA Board is meeting this weekend and I will recommend that someone be assigned to formulate a more detailed and comprehensive report.


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